Introduction
Paul letters in the Bible was always the subject of controversy until out present days; theological and historical reasons contribute to this controversy and made Paul letters on if the most interest subjects someone could write about it.
Paul wrote 14 letters in the NT. Most of the scholars agree on 7 of the letters were authentic, 6 were forged and the letter to Hebrew still hanging between neither teams.
The letters approved as authentic are Romans, 1+2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philemon.
The letters scholars agree on them as forgeries are 1+2 timothy, Titus, Ephesians, Colossians and 2 Thessalonians.
The letter that still subject of debate between both teams is the letter to the Hebrew which I will talk about it with more length because it’s such very controversial case.
I would like to explain the meaning of most of scholars agrees or most of scholars don’t agree, because somebody will argue that not all scholars agree that the letter to Titus is forgery.
It’s theoretical which means that most of people who agree that one of the letters is forged able to provide more evidence to support their claim facing the other team.
Now of course we have some people that they deeply devoted to the Bible and their faith that they believe all the content of the OT and NT is the word of God and it’s authentic.
One of this people told me one time that not only the people who wrote the book of the Bible done that directed by the Holy Spirit, but even people print the Bible were directed and supported by the Holy Spirit.
The same person although didn’t give any explanation for all kind of printing errors in the new editions of the Bible that contain change in the word and correct translation errors.
The Pastoral letters
Three letters were grouped together since the eighteen century under the name Pastoral letters which include 1+2 Timothy and Titus.
The letters have similarities but at the same time they have distinct purposes different from Paul authentic letters, which made most of scholars consider them forgeries under the name of Paul.
I will give summary about each letter then at the end give brief explanation about its key points that made them similar to each other but distinct from Paul authentic letters.
1Timothy
- written to colleague of Paul name Timothy as he appointed as leader for the church of Ephesus.
1Tim 1:2, 3
- Warning from false teachers and their teachings as they are strict on marriage and they promote certain dietary restrictions.
1Tim 4:3
- The characters and conditions should be available for whoever appointed as church leaders and other different rankings.
1Tim 3:1-13
- Instructions related to women in the church and in their life which include dress modestly, elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes is forbidden, learn in quietness and full submission and they are not allow to teach.
1Tim 2:9-12
- The way to women salvation is through childbearing.
1Tim 2:15
- Slaves should be submissive to their masters so they don’t slandered God name and teaching.
1Tim 6:1
2Timothy
- Very personalized as the use of terms and remind Timothy of his family members who accept the faith.
2Tim 1:2, 5
- written from prison or this is the conclusion of some scholars, but he mention that Luke was with him and he ask Timothy to bring Mark with him and some of his personal items.
I have to oppose this as it’s not mentioned directly in 2Tim but it might be concluded from Acts or Romans although I didn’t read any references in both letters that Luke was with Paul in jail.
The other point of my objection is to bring Mark because he is helpful in the ministry!!!
Paul supposes waiting on another trail but was he waiting in Jail or outside?
Just for me the Luke and Mark issue make the point of Paul in jail is not clear for me.
2Tim 4:11, 16
- Paul have sever opposition from some people he named them by Phygelus, Hermogenes, Hymenaeus and Philetus.
2Tim 1:15
Titus
- It was written to other companion of Paul who is appointed as Pastor for the churches of Crete Island.
Titus 1:4
- The characters should be available in the elders appointed as head of the different churches in the cities of Crete.
Titus 1:5-9, 2:1
- Commandments for women to obey their husband, self-controlled and pure.
Titus 2:4-5
- Commandments for the slaves to obey their masters
Titus 2:9-10
The evidence on the forgery
(1)The opening
1Tim 1:1-2
(1)Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,
(2)To Timothy my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
2 Tim 1:1-2
(1) Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, in keeping with the promise of life that is in Christ Jesus,
(2) To Timothy, my dear son: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
The similarity in the opening of both letters is very clear as I mark it with different color.
Titus 1:4
To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
The same terminology used although in part of Titus as I mark it to show the very common verbal connection and similarity.
Another key point here that this opening was never used in any of what suppose to be Paul authentic letters.
(2)Copyist or the same author
Verbal agreement as too many words and phrases is common and not found in any of what suppose to be authentic letters written by Paul.
(3)What does the word faith mean to Paul?
The word faith was very important to Paul as concept. If we read his letters to Romans and Galatians, we will find the concept of faith mean to Paul the trust in Christ.
If we read Titus 1:13-16, we would find the meaning of faith is the teaching of the Christian faith or I would be more accurate, the teachings according to Paul concept.
(4)The similarities
We will find the pastoral letters sharing very similar ideas but at the same time contradicted with another ideas in what they call it Paul authentic letters.
The Women submission and lifestyle, the obedience of slaves to their masters, the moral cod for the overseers and deacons are all common between the Pastoral letters.
(5)The dissimilarities
The term [work of law] which means by Paul concept doing the requirement of the Jewish law, starting with circumcised and not ending with the Kosher although this is stand odd in the pastoral letters as its mean good feeds to people.
Paul stress before that the only way to salvation believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus and although he contradict himself in several location in his letters, je didn’t mention the resurrection in the pastoral letters (1Tim 6:18-19, Gal 3:11, 2Tim 1:9).
We could take the idea of marriage as the pastoral letters handle it different from other what suppose to be authentic letters for Paul.
1 Corn 7:8,38 stand odd with 1Tim 3:2-3 in the marriage idea and to make the matters worst as Paul describe who forbidden marriage as following deceiving spirits and things taught by demons (1Tim 4:1-3).
Paul thinks that he was living at the very end of the time, even he thought that he will be alive when Jesus returns from heaven (1Thess 4:14-18).
If we toke the 1+2 letter to the Corinthians as Paul address several problems, he appeal to the church as whole and individuals. Paul didn’t write to the Church leaders because they didn’t exist.
The pastoral letters telling different facts about the church structure as describing church leaders (bishops, deacons) in hierarchy form, structure and organization.
Paul was sure of the very short time between the Jesus resurrection and his return from the heaven and this why he didn’t appoint such complicated structure for the church as the one we read in the pastoral letters.
I found one reference in (Acts 14:23) related to the structure of the church in Paul time as hel and Barnabas appointed only Pastors for the churches in the cities they are passing by it.
Finally, the false teaching that pastoral letters talking about such as forbidding marriage didn’t belong to Paul time, it look more belong to Gnostic teaching and the same for the genealogical and mythological teaching promoted.
Textual Criticism
(1) The savior
Paul mention in 1Tim 1:1 that God is the savior but this contradict what he said in 1Tim 1:15 that Jesus is the savior.
(2) Does the sinners will ever be saved?
According to 1Tim 1:15 the answer will be yes although this contradict with 2 Thess 1:8 as they will be punished
(3) The mediator
1Tim 2:5 (For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus)
- The Trinity would say God, Father and the Holy Spirit but nothing there about mediator.
- Does people need mediator between them and God?
- The Gospel according to Mathew 6:6 said (But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you).
The connection here between the mankind and God with no need for mediator?
- Jesus was crucified against his will as he was driven to the crucifixion location by force not by his choice. He even prays for God in the Garden to save him and pass the cup to somebody else.
- OT didn’t mention or talk about any mediator between God and people.
(4) The Gospel of Paul
2Tim 2:8 (Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel)
- How the church accepts Paul letters in the NT but we don’t see anything related to his Gospel?
- Jesus himself denies that he was descended of David in the Gospel according to Mathew 22:41-46 so who we should believe; Jesus or Paul?
(5) Paul the servant but for whom?
Titus 1:1 Paul said that he is servant for God and apostle for Jesus Christ but this contradict Romans 1:1 as he said) he is servant for Christ Jesus).
This will bring another issue related to the mediator in 1Tim 2:5; it will raise the question about Paul being servant for mediator.
Final word
I wrote in this subject about the Pastoral letters written by Paul in the NT, it’s 1+2 Timothy and Titus.
I try to be inclusive to cover the issue from all angels, to explain why scholars think it’s forged and I asses some textual criticism from my own point of view.
In the next subject, I will write about the remaining of the letters that scholars think its forgery by the name of Paul except the letter to the Hebrews which I will talk about it in separate subject.
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Tuesday, 20 December, 2011
The incidents led to radical change about the way I understand Islam
When I was young, neighbor son that his father was member of Muslim brotherhood told me that I should split on the cross in Church nearby the Mosque were we used to go for Friday pray.
I was young and I used to do it, I though it’s ok because the Church is something evil and the Christians is inferior to the Muslim’s, we are the Muslim’s who used to have glory, over powered the Roman and the Persian empire.
Notice the word used to be which refer to the past but for me the future looks so dark and gloomy.
We can’t keep looking for the past and we say that in the past we did this or in the past we fight the Romans or we stand for the Persian Empire, still living in the dreams of the past and this is our problem.
I grow up and my parents have to move me to school run by non-profitable Christian charity organization who gives priority to accept students came from families with financial stress; my family was one of them.
The school was very small one and I still remember that my class have only 6 or 7 student’s and I was the 7th or the 8th, the school master was Bible/Christian life oriented but although very open minded, something that unfortunately available in lots of Muslim scholars/clerks this days.
It was printed in my mind all the time the traditional image of Muslim clerks/scholars or at least the famous ones, don’t smile, upset, angry all the time from what they think it’s corrupted society around them, until my school headmaster change this image for me.
If you are follower of neither Islamic faith nor Christian faith and consider your faith is the compass directed your life event, this doesn’t mean that you need to look like you are carrying the Sinai Mountains on your shoulders; this wasn’t Mohammad (GBUH) for the Muslims or Jesus for the Christians.
I start having more moments of awareness about the contradiction in our society, the split in our personality we live as Muslims and the way we judge others.
The Islamic school was in the same area, have better funding since it s owned by Muslim’s brotherhood and have space 100X than the school I moved to it with plenty of seats, but they don’t give discounts or financial aid for students in need and they don’t accept Christian student’s.
This was in my time and although I hear that this change now but they don’t allow Bible classes for Christian student’s which shock me and questions start going in my head.
Why Christian school with very limited funds coming originally from Church and Christian contributors accept me with looking on what faith I belong?
Why Christian school with very limited funds hire two teachers with BA in Islamic studies to teach Muslim students Islamic education book approved by the Ministry of Education and required to do Exams with its marks affect the final degree at the end of the year?
The Church understand the Islamic culture related to this lesson were it will not be tough above certain age as co-op, so they have one of the teachers male while the other female.
Why I never hear any hate speech in the school church that it was mandatory that everybody go in the morning after salute the flag, although it wasn’t mandatory to pray as Christian as the School understand this issue but they try to melt the students into the school body were none feel he is different.
I start doing lots of reading to discover that the problem is not in Islam as faith or the Holy Koran as its book but in our brains that allow one Clerk/Scholar to lead us like cattle.
I know that this would make no sense to some people but why I have to lesson to Scholar/Clerk blindly without reading or doing my own research?
The problem that most scholars/Clerks give their advisory opinion theses day polluted by their political opinion, this is wrong and the Clerk/Scholar should have no business in politics.
I would give quick example of Charles Darwin and his two controversial books about the Natural selection and the origin of species.
Muslim Scholars/Clerks and the Church Clergies came to rare agreement through the years since Darwin wrote these two books to condemn him as atheist and heretical person.
I think that good percentage of the Clergies read these books in order to judge them although I am sure that no Muslim Scholar/Clergy even touch them before he give his opinion on Darwin writings and ideas.
The same Scholars/Clerks that they are feeding religion ethnic war in the Middle East between, Muslim’s Sunni and Muslim’s She3i.
These Scholars/Clerks, appear on T.V channels and interviews more that Johnny Cash and Michael Jackson in the days of their glory.
They will be the target of my next subject as part of my efforts to spread awareness about some Muslim’s with dual faces hiding evil for the western people behind the peaceful and forgiveness nature of Islam.
The subject will be addressed as; NATO rats in town and it’s coming soon so look for it.
End
I was young and I used to do it, I though it’s ok because the Church is something evil and the Christians is inferior to the Muslim’s, we are the Muslim’s who used to have glory, over powered the Roman and the Persian empire.
Notice the word used to be which refer to the past but for me the future looks so dark and gloomy.
We can’t keep looking for the past and we say that in the past we did this or in the past we fight the Romans or we stand for the Persian Empire, still living in the dreams of the past and this is our problem.
I grow up and my parents have to move me to school run by non-profitable Christian charity organization who gives priority to accept students came from families with financial stress; my family was one of them.
The school was very small one and I still remember that my class have only 6 or 7 student’s and I was the 7th or the 8th, the school master was Bible/Christian life oriented but although very open minded, something that unfortunately available in lots of Muslim scholars/clerks this days.
It was printed in my mind all the time the traditional image of Muslim clerks/scholars or at least the famous ones, don’t smile, upset, angry all the time from what they think it’s corrupted society around them, until my school headmaster change this image for me.
If you are follower of neither Islamic faith nor Christian faith and consider your faith is the compass directed your life event, this doesn’t mean that you need to look like you are carrying the Sinai Mountains on your shoulders; this wasn’t Mohammad (GBUH) for the Muslims or Jesus for the Christians.
I start having more moments of awareness about the contradiction in our society, the split in our personality we live as Muslims and the way we judge others.
The Islamic school was in the same area, have better funding since it s owned by Muslim’s brotherhood and have space 100X than the school I moved to it with plenty of seats, but they don’t give discounts or financial aid for students in need and they don’t accept Christian student’s.
This was in my time and although I hear that this change now but they don’t allow Bible classes for Christian student’s which shock me and questions start going in my head.
Why Christian school with very limited funds coming originally from Church and Christian contributors accept me with looking on what faith I belong?
Why Christian school with very limited funds hire two teachers with BA in Islamic studies to teach Muslim students Islamic education book approved by the Ministry of Education and required to do Exams with its marks affect the final degree at the end of the year?
The Church understand the Islamic culture related to this lesson were it will not be tough above certain age as co-op, so they have one of the teachers male while the other female.
Why I never hear any hate speech in the school church that it was mandatory that everybody go in the morning after salute the flag, although it wasn’t mandatory to pray as Christian as the School understand this issue but they try to melt the students into the school body were none feel he is different.
I start doing lots of reading to discover that the problem is not in Islam as faith or the Holy Koran as its book but in our brains that allow one Clerk/Scholar to lead us like cattle.
I know that this would make no sense to some people but why I have to lesson to Scholar/Clerk blindly without reading or doing my own research?
The problem that most scholars/Clerks give their advisory opinion theses day polluted by their political opinion, this is wrong and the Clerk/Scholar should have no business in politics.
I would give quick example of Charles Darwin and his two controversial books about the Natural selection and the origin of species.
Muslim Scholars/Clerks and the Church Clergies came to rare agreement through the years since Darwin wrote these two books to condemn him as atheist and heretical person.
I think that good percentage of the Clergies read these books in order to judge them although I am sure that no Muslim Scholar/Clergy even touch them before he give his opinion on Darwin writings and ideas.
The same Scholars/Clerks that they are feeding religion ethnic war in the Middle East between, Muslim’s Sunni and Muslim’s She3i.
These Scholars/Clerks, appear on T.V channels and interviews more that Johnny Cash and Michael Jackson in the days of their glory.
They will be the target of my next subject as part of my efforts to spread awareness about some Muslim’s with dual faces hiding evil for the western people behind the peaceful and forgiveness nature of Islam.
The subject will be addressed as; NATO rats in town and it’s coming soon so look for it.
End
Saturday, 6 August, 2011
The islamization of underage girls, start in Egypt and end in Europe
I think that everybody read this subject and distribute it and the blogger among their friends, not for the sake of me trying to be famous or appear on T.V show or getting any kind of benefits, it’s for the sake of the very serious issue I will discuss in this subject.
I think because I am Muslim and this represents my view of point from reading the same texts that these fundamentalists read or maybe I should call them insane maniac idiots.
I was accused by someone in Jesus seminar on the Facebook that I was fundamentalist after I ask people to give me feedback about my blogger.
I don’t understand what some people identify the fundamentalist because it could be very gelatinous word.
I was never born to be fundamentalist in my life and I will never be, do you know why?
We read the same holy Koran so why my view is different?
Because I understand the Islam different way from what these bloody people do, we all read the same text of the Holy Koran but I approach it from different angle.
The angle of love and merci and the tolerance of the others and respect them, this is what I am trying to represent in this blogger and it’s always will be the same way.
One day I was on YouTube website moving randomly from video to video and accidently I came cross one video from the first channel in the German government T.V, I think the date of broadcasting was the 4th of July 2011 just last month.
The video describe the suffering of German family who lost their 17 years old underage teen to German fundamentalist (Salafi) who brain washes her to be converted to Islam, convince her to deny her own family and not see them again because they belong to different faith and then to marry someone chosen for her by the Mosque Leaders.
I can’t describe the empathy I have towards the mother tears and the anxious father that I am sure he have issues sleeping in the night after losing his daughter especially that the video showing similar case for family lost their daughter the same way, she end to be married to German converted to Islam and move to the tribal area of Pakistan (Waziristan).
The family was almost lost the other daughter that used to go with her sister to the same Mosque as both were under pressure to convert to Islam, she refuse and was saved by the help of human right activist.
Some Muslim would say what you are talking about (saved)?
She will be saved from hill by converting to Islam not saved by her family who prevent such thing.
The way I view the issue is just case of underage teen girl who know nothing about Islam and yet she is Bible literate, this is case should be include in criminal code and whoever marry this teenage should be in prison for such act.
The invitation to the Islamic faith should be for adult who are allowed by the mature of their thinking and mental state to understand the faith and their duties within that faith.
Thos story remind me of what happen in Egypt on the hand of the same fanatical group which call them self’s (Salafi), its cover for them to approach people comfortable and then start spraying their poison into their ears.
Recently in Egypt two girls were taken away from the warmth of their family to unknown place, their names are Nancy and Christine and they are 14 and 16 years of old.
Both girls appear in video shot by The Islamic platform for resisting Christianization which is Fundamentalist Egyptian group with strong ties to KSA (Kingdom of Arabia Saudia).
They claim that they converted to Islam by their own choice and they are in safe place and they ask their families to leave alone!!!!
What is the concept of (their own choice) for 14 and 16 years old?
What is the level of maturity that these girls have at this age allowed them to make such design on their own?
If this happen in the USA so it’s considered kidnapping and whoever committed such act will face serious penalty, but in Egypt were no law now and the law enforcement is totally absent so everything is possible for this Salafi.
They cause too many troubles in Egypt by targeting married Coptic females and they talk in the Paltalk rooms that we will leave no woman’s for the Coptic.
I don’t like this kind of behaviour, it’s disgusting and sometimes i feel that it’s like boxing match somebody will win by the knockout.
It’s not like this and this kind of behaviours should come to immediate stop from all sides who commit such act.
European governments should not allow this people to violate the law such way and separate teenage from their families.
They should install new laws restrict the immigration of such people to Europe and enforce internal laws to fight such acts; it should include tough jail sentences and may be deportation.
They should not allow this people to practice their missionary message in the street loose the way I watch in the video.
They should be under supervision in multicultural center were people have freedom to meet representative from all faiths and religions who have permanent offices in that building, the meeting will be supervised to guarantee such acts not committed.
The people of Europe saw the Islam that this kind of people represents, the teenage kidnappers that they kidnap Islam two and spoil the beautiful image of such faith.
Spread this article to show the European people that the voice of opposition for such acts exists and the Islam is not what this Salafi represent.
They kidnap my faith so help me get it back and purify its image.
End
I think because I am Muslim and this represents my view of point from reading the same texts that these fundamentalists read or maybe I should call them insane maniac idiots.
I was accused by someone in Jesus seminar on the Facebook that I was fundamentalist after I ask people to give me feedback about my blogger.
I don’t understand what some people identify the fundamentalist because it could be very gelatinous word.
I was never born to be fundamentalist in my life and I will never be, do you know why?
We read the same holy Koran so why my view is different?
Because I understand the Islam different way from what these bloody people do, we all read the same text of the Holy Koran but I approach it from different angle.
The angle of love and merci and the tolerance of the others and respect them, this is what I am trying to represent in this blogger and it’s always will be the same way.
One day I was on YouTube website moving randomly from video to video and accidently I came cross one video from the first channel in the German government T.V, I think the date of broadcasting was the 4th of July 2011 just last month.
The video describe the suffering of German family who lost their 17 years old underage teen to German fundamentalist (Salafi) who brain washes her to be converted to Islam, convince her to deny her own family and not see them again because they belong to different faith and then to marry someone chosen for her by the Mosque Leaders.
I can’t describe the empathy I have towards the mother tears and the anxious father that I am sure he have issues sleeping in the night after losing his daughter especially that the video showing similar case for family lost their daughter the same way, she end to be married to German converted to Islam and move to the tribal area of Pakistan (Waziristan).
The family was almost lost the other daughter that used to go with her sister to the same Mosque as both were under pressure to convert to Islam, she refuse and was saved by the help of human right activist.
Some Muslim would say what you are talking about (saved)?
She will be saved from hill by converting to Islam not saved by her family who prevent such thing.
The way I view the issue is just case of underage teen girl who know nothing about Islam and yet she is Bible literate, this is case should be include in criminal code and whoever marry this teenage should be in prison for such act.
The invitation to the Islamic faith should be for adult who are allowed by the mature of their thinking and mental state to understand the faith and their duties within that faith.
Thos story remind me of what happen in Egypt on the hand of the same fanatical group which call them self’s (Salafi), its cover for them to approach people comfortable and then start spraying their poison into their ears.
Recently in Egypt two girls were taken away from the warmth of their family to unknown place, their names are Nancy and Christine and they are 14 and 16 years of old.
Both girls appear in video shot by The Islamic platform for resisting Christianization which is Fundamentalist Egyptian group with strong ties to KSA (Kingdom of Arabia Saudia).
They claim that they converted to Islam by their own choice and they are in safe place and they ask their families to leave alone!!!!
What is the concept of (their own choice) for 14 and 16 years old?
What is the level of maturity that these girls have at this age allowed them to make such design on their own?
If this happen in the USA so it’s considered kidnapping and whoever committed such act will face serious penalty, but in Egypt were no law now and the law enforcement is totally absent so everything is possible for this Salafi.
They cause too many troubles in Egypt by targeting married Coptic females and they talk in the Paltalk rooms that we will leave no woman’s for the Coptic.
I don’t like this kind of behaviour, it’s disgusting and sometimes i feel that it’s like boxing match somebody will win by the knockout.
It’s not like this and this kind of behaviours should come to immediate stop from all sides who commit such act.
European governments should not allow this people to violate the law such way and separate teenage from their families.
They should install new laws restrict the immigration of such people to Europe and enforce internal laws to fight such acts; it should include tough jail sentences and may be deportation.
They should not allow this people to practice their missionary message in the street loose the way I watch in the video.
They should be under supervision in multicultural center were people have freedom to meet representative from all faiths and religions who have permanent offices in that building, the meeting will be supervised to guarantee such acts not committed.
The people of Europe saw the Islam that this kind of people represents, the teenage kidnappers that they kidnap Islam two and spoil the beautiful image of such faith.
Spread this article to show the European people that the voice of opposition for such acts exists and the Islam is not what this Salafi represent.
They kidnap my faith so help me get it back and purify its image.
End
Monday, 25 July, 2011
Dark day in Norway history, the search for the real criminal
This day will be recorded in the history of Norway as the worst day ever passes on the country since World War 2, Friday 22/July/2011 written in blood in this peaceful country.
A bomb exploded on Friday afternoon in the offices of one of the biggest newspaper in Norway which located in very vital area on the capital Oslo, spokesman for the Norway police announce seven dead, 15 - 90 injured were two of them in serious condition.
The newspaper offices located nearby the headquarters of the prime minister which receive some damage but the Prime Minister was unharmed, Oil & Energy Ministry located in the same area were on fire as result of the explosion.
Later on that evening a man commit carnage when open fire in Utoya Island on holiday camp gathering for the Norwegian Liberal party, the attendance of the camp mostly young people and teenagers.
The man committed his carnage when he entered into the camp area wearing police uniform and beckoned the children and then opens the fire from close range using automatic weapon.
The Norway authorities issue warnings for people visiting the capital and the Norwegian Arm forces spread their maximizing the security especially around government offices and building.
The preliminary statistical indicated 5 people killed or injured but this was the top of the ice mountain, later updates indicate 85 killed at least and tens were injured.
The suspect in the Utoya carnage was arrested shortly after the incident, his name is 32-year-old man named Anders Behring Breivik.
The investigation unleashed after this carnage indicate that the suspect use kind of pullets called Dumdum which will explode in the victim body leaving hundreds of fractions and permanent injuries in most of the cases, it also indicate that he bought 6 tons of organic fertilizer which was not suspicious and within the normal limits.
Eyewitnesses mentioned the suspect entered the camp claiming the reason for his arrival is to be sure from the security processors in the area after the explosion in the capital, this make the authorities suspicious that both incidents is related.
Sources mentioned that Norwegian prime minister supposes to deliver speech Saturday morning and the previous prime minister the same day on Friday afternoon.
The news that flowing all over the internet says that members of the Liberal party in Norway attending the camp in Utoya Island discuss the issue of establishing the Palestinian state on Wednesday before that attack.
They discus with the foreign minister the Palestinian right to establish their own state and he show his empathy and support saying that the time had come to demolish the wall.
They also called for a boycott of the Zionist entity and raised slogans calling for a boycott of Israel and the rumors say that the attack is not coincident where it’s related to some kind of politics.
The suspect was held by court after brief hearing for eight weeks to be extended if needed for further investigation, four of them in absolute isolation.
The suspect who described as Christian fundamentalist by the Norwegian media plead guilty and indicates two more cells is active within his organization, police suspect second person help in the shooting incident in Utoya.
I don’t believe that this is the work of one man made a bomb cause such huge damage and using 6 tons of organic fertilizer in its manufacture.
Who buy the weapon for him and the Dumdum bullets which are not available to be bought by public?
Who he is trying to protect when he admit that he commit such act alone but then contradict himself when he said that he is leader in group that have two functional cells?
What kind of weapon he has allowed him to kill such huge number of people in such short time and injured hundreds especially the investigators suspecting second shooter at the Island?
Is it possible that he setup the bomb then move comfortably undetected to the Island and commits such carnage?
Why the police respond so slowly after the bomb explode allowing him to move to the Island to commit such carnage?
How the camp in Utoya Island left with no security even if it was hidden and its service all this number of people those lots of them in very young age?
All this questions and concerns should be answered by the investigators of the Norwegian government in order to leave no mystery or chance to through accusation here and there randomly with no evidence.
Norway living the obsession of Islamic extremists living in the country and who have links to al Qaeda, where there are two people currently in detention awaiting to charge them formally.
The prosecutor has accused of terrorism a Norway Kurdish cleric Mullah Krekar, the Iraqi-born politicians for threatening to kill Norwegians politicians if he were deported from Norway in a statement made to the media.
Norway also lives under the risk of Islamic extremist attack since its involvement in military campaign in Afghanistan and Libya.
The Nato and the European union express their shocking from the incident in country always being help to spread the peace outside its own borders, they condemn the attack and the European union say that the Norway were always been allies and great help.
British journalist named Charlie Brooker wrote in the Guardian criticizing the Handling of the media in the West with the incident by putting the blame on Muslims linked to al Qaeda until after the event that exposed the true character of the massacre executioner.
Immediately on Friday evening what they were described as experts in international terrorism accusing terrorist cell linked to Al-Qaida, they start analyzing why Muslim’s hate Norway?
When the shooting in the island toke place, they mention that it was Al-Qaida attack in Norway similar to what happen in India – Bombay.
Soon, the front page of Saturday's Sun was rolling off the presses. "Al-Qaeda" Massacre: NORWAY'S 9/11 – the weasel quotes around the phrase "Al Qaeda" deemed sufficient to protect the paper from charges of jumping to conclusions.
As more information regarding the identity of the terrorist responsible for the massacre comes to light, articles attempting to explain his motives are starting to appear online. And beneath them are comments from readers, largely expressing outrage and horror. But there are a disturbing number that start, "What this lunatic did was awful, but….”
These "but" commenter’s then go on to discuss immigration, often with reference to a shaky Muslim-baiting story they've half-remembered from the press.
The article is great and balanced in my opinion and you could find it on this link below:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/24/charlie-brooker-norway-mass-killings
The suspect testimony written consist of 1500 page indicate that he was deeply affected by the Anti – Islamic movement in USA and some of the bloggers, but guess who was most influence on him?
Robert Spencer and his Jihad Watch blog/website were mentioned 64 times as he quoted from most than any other blog or website.
Robert Spencer is the reason why this blog established, to provide the true image of Islam, the same image which is trying to distort by deliberating lying for novices in Islam knowledge and providing false information on his blog, website and in his lectures.
If you ask me honestly who is behind this carnage?
I would answer you for sure that he is Robert Spencer as the suspect quoted from him 64 times and he is allowed under freedom of speech hiding behind his Zionist believes to incite on Islam and Muslim’s in such way make me question who stand behind him?
He mention before that by no way the most extreme Christian fundamentalist would commit massacre such what happen in Norway.
The suspect didn’t leave few sentences from the Bible which Robert Spencer compare it to Muslim misinterpret the Koranic verses, he left behind him 1500 page testimony with 64 quotations from Robert Spencer articles.
I do believe that people could misinterpret the Bible the same as the Koran and misuse its sacred verses and this I was trying to do in my blog.
I was trying to remove this misunderstanding for Islam and open discussion through my articles that I wrote about Christianity to create some kind of positive dialogue between followers of both faiths.
Robert Spencer is doing the opposite on his blog, website and in his speeches all over USA and Europe as the only thing he spread is the hate of Islam.
He has no knowledge of Arabic to read the Koran in its only native language, he use weak sources and Koranic commentaries and prophetic narratives and sometime he quote half of the verse in his quotation to get half the meaning he want even if this consider misrepresentation.
Why he is committing such act?
One word which is Hate
One more last point I would like to discus here in this subject which is the issue of Muslims immigration to Europe and the fear spread of they dominated the content or any other country in general, this was key point in the suspect testimony of 1500 page in addition his hate for Marxism which represented by the Liberal party in Norway in his opinion.
The matter of Muslim immigration to Europe has too many aspects to be discussed which this subject is not the place for it although I saw the movie that spread all over the Internet talking about the Muslim’s dominating Europe warning from this domination.
My own view of point regarding this kind of issues that I will brief it in this short sentence:
When you are Muslim citizen in a country where it’s faith that establish on it is not Islam, you need to practice your faith with minimum condition that don’t get the other side irritant.
On this base I opposed the building of Islamic center next to the location of 9/11 attack and few other incident of Muslim’s insisting on building Mosque in towns where it’s neither no large number in demand for this Mosque or local resident oppose it furiously.
In my opinion that Muslim’s and the local resident in the trouble areas dealt with the issue as boxing game and the matter here which player will deliver the knockout.
This should not be the case but both sides should set on the table and talk about the matter and reach common grounds to stand on it.
If the Muslim’s have other alternatives so they should proceed but the locals should understand that sometimes this alternatives is not available for the Muslim’s and they can’t push them out in such way make them feel not equal citizen or discriminated based on their faith.
In country like USA were the freedom of religion is consider constitutional rights for its citizens and whoever life in USA territories, acts such harassing other faith followers by Impede the building of places of worship, vandalize it by any means or attack their Clerks is such shame.
In the Middle East Christian are respected and their worship places protected by people before government, we marry from Christian woman’s and eat from their table.
I don’t deny that we have few exception of people have very narrow tolerance even for some Muslim’s that they disagree with them in opinion but this don’t change the fact of the very solid common grounds we stand with the Christian on it.
Muslim and Christians have more common ground than what Christian have with someone like Robert Spencer which he is Jews even if we disagree on the details of these common grounds.
We believe in Jesus even if we disagree with the Christian on issue as the Trinity and his divinity.
We have great respect for Marry as the mother of Jesus even if we disagree that she is the mother of God.
We do believe that the Bible especially the New Testemant carry some truth from what we call it Jesus Bible even if we disagree on who wrote the Bible in the Christian hands now.
We agree with Christian that Jesus was the word of God even if we disagree on the concept of this word and its role.
Jews don’t like Jesus and they call him son of whore as he was result of his Mother Marry committing adultery with Roman soldier his name pandera.
They show great disobedience for him, hate and they make his end such painful as he was crucified after they prefer criminal on him to be released when Pontius Pilate make this choice available for them.
We have with the Christians more common grounds than the Jews and I don’t like such mentally ill person called Robert Spencer to separate both believes from these grounds and spread the hate between us.
I would like to apologize on such way of writing that some readers have issues with it and submit some complains to me, they say that its lack proper organization of the ideas, poor grammar skills and the use of ppunctuation marks.
I would ensure that I am working on such skills and I hope to show more improvement in my next subjects.
I would like to say that I welcome your comments and suggestion as well as your question about the Islam and Koran.
I will be more than happen to explain any fact or clear any misunderstanding created by such ignorant person named Robert Spencer.
Thanks you very much for your time that all of you spend to read my subject and other subjects on my blogger.
End
A bomb exploded on Friday afternoon in the offices of one of the biggest newspaper in Norway which located in very vital area on the capital Oslo, spokesman for the Norway police announce seven dead, 15 - 90 injured were two of them in serious condition.
The newspaper offices located nearby the headquarters of the prime minister which receive some damage but the Prime Minister was unharmed, Oil & Energy Ministry located in the same area were on fire as result of the explosion.
Later on that evening a man commit carnage when open fire in Utoya Island on holiday camp gathering for the Norwegian Liberal party, the attendance of the camp mostly young people and teenagers.
The man committed his carnage when he entered into the camp area wearing police uniform and beckoned the children and then opens the fire from close range using automatic weapon.
The Norway authorities issue warnings for people visiting the capital and the Norwegian Arm forces spread their maximizing the security especially around government offices and building.
The preliminary statistical indicated 5 people killed or injured but this was the top of the ice mountain, later updates indicate 85 killed at least and tens were injured.
The suspect in the Utoya carnage was arrested shortly after the incident, his name is 32-year-old man named Anders Behring Breivik.
The investigation unleashed after this carnage indicate that the suspect use kind of pullets called Dumdum which will explode in the victim body leaving hundreds of fractions and permanent injuries in most of the cases, it also indicate that he bought 6 tons of organic fertilizer which was not suspicious and within the normal limits.
Eyewitnesses mentioned the suspect entered the camp claiming the reason for his arrival is to be sure from the security processors in the area after the explosion in the capital, this make the authorities suspicious that both incidents is related.
Sources mentioned that Norwegian prime minister supposes to deliver speech Saturday morning and the previous prime minister the same day on Friday afternoon.
The news that flowing all over the internet says that members of the Liberal party in Norway attending the camp in Utoya Island discuss the issue of establishing the Palestinian state on Wednesday before that attack.
They discus with the foreign minister the Palestinian right to establish their own state and he show his empathy and support saying that the time had come to demolish the wall.
They also called for a boycott of the Zionist entity and raised slogans calling for a boycott of Israel and the rumors say that the attack is not coincident where it’s related to some kind of politics.
The suspect was held by court after brief hearing for eight weeks to be extended if needed for further investigation, four of them in absolute isolation.
The suspect who described as Christian fundamentalist by the Norwegian media plead guilty and indicates two more cells is active within his organization, police suspect second person help in the shooting incident in Utoya.
I don’t believe that this is the work of one man made a bomb cause such huge damage and using 6 tons of organic fertilizer in its manufacture.
Who buy the weapon for him and the Dumdum bullets which are not available to be bought by public?
Who he is trying to protect when he admit that he commit such act alone but then contradict himself when he said that he is leader in group that have two functional cells?
What kind of weapon he has allowed him to kill such huge number of people in such short time and injured hundreds especially the investigators suspecting second shooter at the Island?
Is it possible that he setup the bomb then move comfortably undetected to the Island and commits such carnage?
Why the police respond so slowly after the bomb explode allowing him to move to the Island to commit such carnage?
How the camp in Utoya Island left with no security even if it was hidden and its service all this number of people those lots of them in very young age?
All this questions and concerns should be answered by the investigators of the Norwegian government in order to leave no mystery or chance to through accusation here and there randomly with no evidence.
Norway living the obsession of Islamic extremists living in the country and who have links to al Qaeda, where there are two people currently in detention awaiting to charge them formally.
The prosecutor has accused of terrorism a Norway Kurdish cleric Mullah Krekar, the Iraqi-born politicians for threatening to kill Norwegians politicians if he were deported from Norway in a statement made to the media.
Norway also lives under the risk of Islamic extremist attack since its involvement in military campaign in Afghanistan and Libya.
The Nato and the European union express their shocking from the incident in country always being help to spread the peace outside its own borders, they condemn the attack and the European union say that the Norway were always been allies and great help.
British journalist named Charlie Brooker wrote in the Guardian criticizing the Handling of the media in the West with the incident by putting the blame on Muslims linked to al Qaeda until after the event that exposed the true character of the massacre executioner.
Immediately on Friday evening what they were described as experts in international terrorism accusing terrorist cell linked to Al-Qaida, they start analyzing why Muslim’s hate Norway?
When the shooting in the island toke place, they mention that it was Al-Qaida attack in Norway similar to what happen in India – Bombay.
Soon, the front page of Saturday's Sun was rolling off the presses. "Al-Qaeda" Massacre: NORWAY'S 9/11 – the weasel quotes around the phrase "Al Qaeda" deemed sufficient to protect the paper from charges of jumping to conclusions.
As more information regarding the identity of the terrorist responsible for the massacre comes to light, articles attempting to explain his motives are starting to appear online. And beneath them are comments from readers, largely expressing outrage and horror. But there are a disturbing number that start, "What this lunatic did was awful, but….”
These "but" commenter’s then go on to discuss immigration, often with reference to a shaky Muslim-baiting story they've half-remembered from the press.
The article is great and balanced in my opinion and you could find it on this link below:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/24/charlie-brooker-norway-mass-killings
The suspect testimony written consist of 1500 page indicate that he was deeply affected by the Anti – Islamic movement in USA and some of the bloggers, but guess who was most influence on him?
Robert Spencer and his Jihad Watch blog/website were mentioned 64 times as he quoted from most than any other blog or website.
Robert Spencer is the reason why this blog established, to provide the true image of Islam, the same image which is trying to distort by deliberating lying for novices in Islam knowledge and providing false information on his blog, website and in his lectures.
If you ask me honestly who is behind this carnage?
I would answer you for sure that he is Robert Spencer as the suspect quoted from him 64 times and he is allowed under freedom of speech hiding behind his Zionist believes to incite on Islam and Muslim’s in such way make me question who stand behind him?
He mention before that by no way the most extreme Christian fundamentalist would commit massacre such what happen in Norway.
The suspect didn’t leave few sentences from the Bible which Robert Spencer compare it to Muslim misinterpret the Koranic verses, he left behind him 1500 page testimony with 64 quotations from Robert Spencer articles.
I do believe that people could misinterpret the Bible the same as the Koran and misuse its sacred verses and this I was trying to do in my blog.
I was trying to remove this misunderstanding for Islam and open discussion through my articles that I wrote about Christianity to create some kind of positive dialogue between followers of both faiths.
Robert Spencer is doing the opposite on his blog, website and in his speeches all over USA and Europe as the only thing he spread is the hate of Islam.
He has no knowledge of Arabic to read the Koran in its only native language, he use weak sources and Koranic commentaries and prophetic narratives and sometime he quote half of the verse in his quotation to get half the meaning he want even if this consider misrepresentation.
Why he is committing such act?
One word which is Hate
One more last point I would like to discus here in this subject which is the issue of Muslims immigration to Europe and the fear spread of they dominated the content or any other country in general, this was key point in the suspect testimony of 1500 page in addition his hate for Marxism which represented by the Liberal party in Norway in his opinion.
The matter of Muslim immigration to Europe has too many aspects to be discussed which this subject is not the place for it although I saw the movie that spread all over the Internet talking about the Muslim’s dominating Europe warning from this domination.
My own view of point regarding this kind of issues that I will brief it in this short sentence:
When you are Muslim citizen in a country where it’s faith that establish on it is not Islam, you need to practice your faith with minimum condition that don’t get the other side irritant.
On this base I opposed the building of Islamic center next to the location of 9/11 attack and few other incident of Muslim’s insisting on building Mosque in towns where it’s neither no large number in demand for this Mosque or local resident oppose it furiously.
In my opinion that Muslim’s and the local resident in the trouble areas dealt with the issue as boxing game and the matter here which player will deliver the knockout.
This should not be the case but both sides should set on the table and talk about the matter and reach common grounds to stand on it.
If the Muslim’s have other alternatives so they should proceed but the locals should understand that sometimes this alternatives is not available for the Muslim’s and they can’t push them out in such way make them feel not equal citizen or discriminated based on their faith.
In country like USA were the freedom of religion is consider constitutional rights for its citizens and whoever life in USA territories, acts such harassing other faith followers by Impede the building of places of worship, vandalize it by any means or attack their Clerks is such shame.
In the Middle East Christian are respected and their worship places protected by people before government, we marry from Christian woman’s and eat from their table.
I don’t deny that we have few exception of people have very narrow tolerance even for some Muslim’s that they disagree with them in opinion but this don’t change the fact of the very solid common grounds we stand with the Christian on it.
Muslim and Christians have more common ground than what Christian have with someone like Robert Spencer which he is Jews even if we disagree on the details of these common grounds.
We believe in Jesus even if we disagree with the Christian on issue as the Trinity and his divinity.
We have great respect for Marry as the mother of Jesus even if we disagree that she is the mother of God.
We do believe that the Bible especially the New Testemant carry some truth from what we call it Jesus Bible even if we disagree on who wrote the Bible in the Christian hands now.
We agree with Christian that Jesus was the word of God even if we disagree on the concept of this word and its role.
Jews don’t like Jesus and they call him son of whore as he was result of his Mother Marry committing adultery with Roman soldier his name pandera.
They show great disobedience for him, hate and they make his end such painful as he was crucified after they prefer criminal on him to be released when Pontius Pilate make this choice available for them.
We have with the Christians more common grounds than the Jews and I don’t like such mentally ill person called Robert Spencer to separate both believes from these grounds and spread the hate between us.
I would like to apologize on such way of writing that some readers have issues with it and submit some complains to me, they say that its lack proper organization of the ideas, poor grammar skills and the use of ppunctuation marks.
I would ensure that I am working on such skills and I hope to show more improvement in my next subjects.
I would like to say that I welcome your comments and suggestion as well as your question about the Islam and Koran.
I will be more than happen to explain any fact or clear any misunderstanding created by such ignorant person named Robert Spencer.
Thanks you very much for your time that all of you spend to read my subject and other subjects on my blogger.
End
The Norway incident
Hi to everybody
I would like to express all my empathy to the victims of the dual terrorist attack in Norway, I hope the comfort for the souls of the dead and the best wishes for the recovery of the injured.
I hope the recovery for the soul of the injured people because the wounds of the soul as result of such attack would take longer time to recover.
I would like to express my anger on the western media the dealt with such attack from the first moment as it was committed by Muslim’s fundamentalist without waiting any result of the investigation.
If this proven something, it would be the point that the terrorism has no identity or it’s restricted to certain faith or ethnicity.
This incident in your country was painful for all people who like life and who appreciate the value of human soul.
Best wish for all
End
I would like to express all my empathy to the victims of the dual terrorist attack in Norway, I hope the comfort for the souls of the dead and the best wishes for the recovery of the injured.
I hope the recovery for the soul of the injured people because the wounds of the soul as result of such attack would take longer time to recover.
I would like to express my anger on the western media the dealt with such attack from the first moment as it was committed by Muslim’s fundamentalist without waiting any result of the investigation.
If this proven something, it would be the point that the terrorism has no identity or it’s restricted to certain faith or ethnicity.
This incident in your country was painful for all people who like life and who appreciate the value of human soul.
Best wish for all
End
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